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		<title>By: Dave Chapple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Chapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not quite sure.....and this is a pure stab in the dark guess mind you, but am I right in thinking that you might be a Vemma rep of some description.
You actually gave me 10 good reasons why I wouldn&#039;t join Vemma with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not quite sure&#8230;..and this is a pure stab in the dark guess mind you, but am I right in thinking that you might be a Vemma rep of some description.<br />
You actually gave me 10 good reasons why I wouldn&#8217;t join Vemma with you.<br />
<span class="cluv">Dave Chapple&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://myjobfreedom.com/ashmax/recruiting/">AshMax Recruiting – Be Excited- NOT Over Excited</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip -1" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://workwithdavidwood.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Brenton Suggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenton Suggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome content, only just found your blog. You write on a lot of subjects that I appreciate reading through. Because of that, I just had to add your feed to my assortment. Bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome content, only just found your blog. You write on a lot of subjects that I appreciate reading through. Because of that, I just had to add your feed to my assortment. Bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: Coop freecooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coop freecooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m having great success with LeadSPro. I believe any marketers will see the value in the program &amp; not pass it up!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m having great success with LeadSPro. I believe any marketers will see the value in the program &amp; not pass it up!<br />
<span class="cluv"> Coop freecooper&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://workwithdavidwood.com/hear-me-rant/" rel="nofollow">Is It REALLY Possible To Grow A Seven Figure Residual Income In Network Marketing Using NOTHING But The Internet? (Not Really)</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://workwithdavidwood.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ralpheal Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralpheal Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I Know Is David Wood Is Awesome!I&#039;ve Been Studying Some Of David Wood Article And Link Building Techniques And All I Have To Say Is This Guy Is The Real Deal. Congrats Dave On Your Amazing Success In Such Short Time. The Desire To Continue To Learn And Become More Valuable Is Key. God Bless!

Ralpheal Jackson
http://gvoopportunities.info
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I Know Is David Wood Is Awesome!I&#8217;ve Been Studying Some Of David Wood Article And Link Building Techniques And All I Have To Say Is This Guy Is The Real Deal. Congrats Dave On Your Amazing Success In Such Short Time. The Desire To Continue To Learn And Become More Valuable Is Key. God Bless!</p>
<p>Ralpheal Jackson<br />
<a href="http://gvoopportunities.info" rel="nofollow">http://gvoopportunities.info</a><br />
<span class="cluv"> Ralpheal Jackson&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://gvoopportunities.info/global-virtual-opportunities-review" rel="nofollow">At My Moms House!!! Merry Christmas And Happy New Years!!! God Bless!</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://workwithdavidwood.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing...

If you guys knew anything about REAL nutrition, you would know that ANY juice or drink that is sitting in a bottle for months on end has some sort of preservation method that basically makes it useless for it&#039;s nutritional value.  If you want real nutrition, go get a Vita Mix or Blendtec blender... a bunch of fruits and veggies, some acai powder, whatever and make a smoothie on a daily basis.  It&#039;s a lot cheaper and 1000 times better for you.
.-= Richard Dennis&#180;s last undefined ..&lt;a href=&quot;0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;If you register your site for free at &lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing&#8230;</p>
<p>If you guys knew anything about REAL nutrition, you would know that ANY juice or drink that is sitting in a bottle for months on end has some sort of preservation method that basically makes it useless for it&#8217;s nutritional value.  If you want real nutrition, go get a Vita Mix or Blendtec blender&#8230; a bunch of fruits and veggies, some acai powder, whatever and make a smoothie on a daily basis.  It&#8217;s a lot cheaper and 1000 times better for you.<br />
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		<title>By: Richard Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it make more sense to be prospecting new prospects rather than sitting on a thread and knocking some company and their products?  I&#039;m not wild about Efusjon, however I&#039;ve got better things to do than knock it.  Isn&#039;t the life of an MLM business new blood anyways?  And it just so happens that I&#039;m currently not building any businesses... however I won&#039;t be joining a business with people that spend their time knocking other people&#039;s businesses... there are plenty of fish in the sea... there is simply no need for it.

Blessings to All!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it make more sense to be prospecting new prospects rather than sitting on a thread and knocking some company and their products?  I&#8217;m not wild about Efusjon, however I&#8217;ve got better things to do than knock it.  Isn&#8217;t the life of an MLM business new blood anyways?  And it just so happens that I&#8217;m currently not building any businesses&#8230; however I won&#8217;t be joining a business with people that spend their time knocking other people&#8217;s businesses&#8230; there are plenty of fish in the sea&#8230; there is simply no need for it.</p>
<p>Blessings to All!</p>
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		<title>By: The MLM Dream Team</title>
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		<dc:creator>The MLM Dream Team</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Efusjon:

Kirk, this must be you! You are too funnny! Rod Cook, Len Clements, and myself have around 100 years of experience between the 3 of us in the network marketing industry and we&#039;re all saying the same thing. You have what, 3 months of experience in the industry? LMAO...The fact you want to argue with 3 people of our stature is hilarious...

Does Efusion have a product called &quot;Delusion?&quot; You&#039;re absolutely oblivious to reality, not to mention your total lack knowledge regarding the history of our industry, and you definitely have a lot to learn about pay plans, especially matrix plans!

The reason why the posts are similar is that people like you keep repeating the same erroneous information and hype all over the Internet...

I notice that you don&#039;t refute a single point with any documentation or facts that the 3 of us have made regarding Efusjon, the product, and their pay plan. All you have is an opinion, and an uneducated one at that.

Lets try one more time, shall we?

Regarding the product:

1) You can&#039;t give us an ORAC value!
2) What peer reviewed, clinical studies do you have on your product? (Answer: None!)
3) What types of credible publications have given your products any awards? (Answer: none!)
4) What pro sports teams do you have using the product and/or distributing the product? (Answer: none!)
5) Your product uses a hot fill process to kill a parasite that loves the acai berry, and if it is hot enough to do that, it is destroying much of the nutritional value in the product (FACT!)
6) Verve has twice the percentages of ingredients that both companies use on all but 2 ingredients, has clinical studies, has a higher ORAC value than Efusjon, and has pro sports team using and distributing their product, and has been named 2009 Product of the Year by a leading fitness and health publication, ALL FACTS!

See how this works? No opinion, no hype-just facts!

The truth is you have an average product-period, end of story! There are several energy drinks that are far superior to Efusjon in terms of ORAC value, science, testing, and recognition-and that is a FACT, not an opinion!

Regarding the matrix pay plan, with the exception of Melaleuca, not one company with a matrix plan has generated any substantial numbers over a long period of time in the past 3 decades! Since you seem to be so enamored with a pay plan model that has never worked historically, except in one case, perhaps you could provide us with say 3 health and wellness MLM companies that are 10 years old and doing a few hundred million a year in sales....We&#039;ll be waiting Boy Wonder! 

Furthermore, you end up making far less in a matrix plan than what you would earn on the same volume in other plans, which explains the numerous changes Efusjon made so quickly to their plan.

In addition, they will be making a few more for legal reasons. Rod and Len have both pointed out several aspects to the Efusjon plan that have legal problems, i.e., autoship being a requirement, not an option, as well as people losing their &quot;position&quot; if they go 2 months without placing an order...

Finally, 98% of new start ups will fail in their first 2-3 years and that&#039;s a fact! The odds against a new groundfloor start up succeeding are slim to none-today there are probably less than 100 companies that have survived 10 years and doing anything of any consequence-100 out of 30-50,000 that have launched over the past 5 decades...that works out to around 1/2 of 1% junior...Jumping on a start up deal is high risk when the goal should be to put the odds of success in one&#039;s favor when pursuing an opportunity.

You use Efusjon only being a year old as an excuse as to why you don&#039;t have clinical studies on your product, but that is an excuse! They could have done clinicals on their product before they ever launched the product! The reason why they didn&#039;t is because they didn&#039;t have the money! They certainly could have done them during the first year when they were recruting those 59,000 people you like to keep talking about, half of whom have left by now...

Why didn&#039;t they? Because they have a weak product that is nothing more than kool aid with an energy kick!

So strike one is Efusjon is a new start up....strike 2 is they have a matrix plan...want to double your chances for failure? Join a new deal with a matrix plan! Evidently you&#039;re short on common sense, not to mention delusional. I would highly recommend laying off the &quot;kool aid!&quot;

Please, I know you try to divert people&#039;s attention away from the facts with accusations of spam and a hidden agenda, but try to focus on the facts! Please refute the points raised, and the truth is you can&#039;t!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Efusjon:</p>
<p>Kirk, this must be you! You are too funnny! Rod Cook, Len Clements, and myself have around 100 years of experience between the 3 of us in the network marketing industry and we&#8217;re all saying the same thing. You have what, 3 months of experience in the industry? LMAO&#8230;The fact you want to argue with 3 people of our stature is hilarious&#8230;</p>
<p>Does Efusion have a product called &#8220;Delusion?&#8221; You&#8217;re absolutely oblivious to reality, not to mention your total lack knowledge regarding the history of our industry, and you definitely have a lot to learn about pay plans, especially matrix plans!</p>
<p>The reason why the posts are similar is that people like you keep repeating the same erroneous information and hype all over the Internet&#8230;</p>
<p>I notice that you don&#8217;t refute a single point with any documentation or facts that the 3 of us have made regarding Efusjon, the product, and their pay plan. All you have is an opinion, and an uneducated one at that.</p>
<p>Lets try one more time, shall we?</p>
<p>Regarding the product:</p>
<p>1) You can&#8217;t give us an ORAC value!<br />
2) What peer reviewed, clinical studies do you have on your product? (Answer: None!)<br />
3) What types of credible publications have given your products any awards? (Answer: none!)<br />
4) What pro sports teams do you have using the product and/or distributing the product? (Answer: none!)<br />
5) Your product uses a hot fill process to kill a parasite that loves the acai berry, and if it is hot enough to do that, it is destroying much of the nutritional value in the product (FACT!)<br />
6) Verve has twice the percentages of ingredients that both companies use on all but 2 ingredients, has clinical studies, has a higher ORAC value than Efusjon, and has pro sports team using and distributing their product, and has been named 2009 Product of the Year by a leading fitness and health publication, ALL FACTS!</p>
<p>See how this works? No opinion, no hype-just facts!</p>
<p>The truth is you have an average product-period, end of story! There are several energy drinks that are far superior to Efusjon in terms of ORAC value, science, testing, and recognition-and that is a FACT, not an opinion!</p>
<p>Regarding the matrix pay plan, with the exception of Melaleuca, not one company with a matrix plan has generated any substantial numbers over a long period of time in the past 3 decades! Since you seem to be so enamored with a pay plan model that has never worked historically, except in one case, perhaps you could provide us with say 3 health and wellness MLM companies that are 10 years old and doing a few hundred million a year in sales&#8230;.We&#8217;ll be waiting Boy Wonder! </p>
<p>Furthermore, you end up making far less in a matrix plan than what you would earn on the same volume in other plans, which explains the numerous changes Efusjon made so quickly to their plan.</p>
<p>In addition, they will be making a few more for legal reasons. Rod and Len have both pointed out several aspects to the Efusjon plan that have legal problems, i.e., autoship being a requirement, not an option, as well as people losing their &#8220;position&#8221; if they go 2 months without placing an order&#8230;</p>
<p>Finally, 98% of new start ups will fail in their first 2-3 years and that&#8217;s a fact! The odds against a new groundfloor start up succeeding are slim to none-today there are probably less than 100 companies that have survived 10 years and doing anything of any consequence-100 out of 30-50,000 that have launched over the past 5 decades&#8230;that works out to around 1/2 of 1% junior&#8230;Jumping on a start up deal is high risk when the goal should be to put the odds of success in one&#8217;s favor when pursuing an opportunity.</p>
<p>You use Efusjon only being a year old as an excuse as to why you don&#8217;t have clinical studies on your product, but that is an excuse! They could have done clinicals on their product before they ever launched the product! The reason why they didn&#8217;t is because they didn&#8217;t have the money! They certainly could have done them during the first year when they were recruting those 59,000 people you like to keep talking about, half of whom have left by now&#8230;</p>
<p>Why didn&#8217;t they? Because they have a weak product that is nothing more than kool aid with an energy kick!</p>
<p>So strike one is Efusjon is a new start up&#8230;.strike 2 is they have a matrix plan&#8230;want to double your chances for failure? Join a new deal with a matrix plan! Evidently you&#8217;re short on common sense, not to mention delusional. I would highly recommend laying off the &#8220;kool aid!&#8221;</p>
<p>Please, I know you try to divert people&#8217;s attention away from the facts with accusations of spam and a hidden agenda, but try to focus on the facts! Please refute the points raised, and the truth is you can&#8217;t!</p>
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		<title>By: Efusjon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Efusjon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“MLM Dream Team” uses the same text and cuts and pastes it on every blog he can find about Efusjon. He also goes by “MLM Expert” His real name is Ken Steward. It is nothing more than a tactic to get people into his other opportunity. If you don’t believe me just take a paragraph from his original post here and paste it in Google search. You’ll see all the pages where he has used this to try and recruit people to his other business. Don’t believe a word he says… he has motives. He is also a defiant spammer and will defend his cause to no end…pathetic.

Efusjon is moving forward and is in a better position now because of the great comp plan changes/additions. They wanted to get the compensation plan right moving into international launch and that is where we are right now. For those that stick with it and use a proven system to build their business, they are in for the ride of their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“MLM Dream Team” uses the same text and cuts and pastes it on every blog he can find about Efusjon. He also goes by “MLM Expert” His real name is Ken Steward. It is nothing more than a tactic to get people into his other opportunity. If you don’t believe me just take a paragraph from his original post here and paste it in Google search. You’ll see all the pages where he has used this to try and recruit people to his other business. Don’t believe a word he says… he has motives. He is also a defiant spammer and will defend his cause to no end…pathetic.</p>
<p>Efusjon is moving forward and is in a better position now because of the great comp plan changes/additions. They wanted to get the compensation plan right moving into international launch and that is where we are right now. For those that stick with it and use a proven system to build their business, they are in for the ride of their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

I couldn&#039;t say it any better myself.  Online marketing is all about valuable content, content, content... pre selling.  MLM Dream, maybe take a look into some online marketing training.  I know of quite a few programs that are free and will really help you in your efforts to expand your business online.  I&#039;ve been using http://theTRAFFICplan.com/rndennis .  I&#039;ve also taken a look at Jonathan Budd&#039;s 7 Figure Network System... it looks pretty good as well.  You can see that at JonathanBudd.com.  The bigggest thing is to use a system that you can personally brand vs branding someone else. You also want to be able to control your list through a service such as aweber, etc.  If you don&#039;t control your list... I wouldn&#039;t use the system.  

Peace to all!,

Richard
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t say it any better myself.  Online marketing is all about valuable content, content, content&#8230; pre selling.  MLM Dream, maybe take a look into some online marketing training.  I know of quite a few programs that are free and will really help you in your efforts to expand your business online.  I&#8217;ve been using <a href="http://theTRAFFICplan.com/rndennis" rel="nofollow">http://theTRAFFICplan.com/rndennis</a> .  I&#8217;ve also taken a look at Jonathan Budd&#8217;s 7 Figure Network System&#8230; it looks pretty good as well.  You can see that at JonathanBudd.com.  The bigggest thing is to use a system that you can personally brand vs branding someone else. You also want to be able to control your list through a service such as aweber, etc.  If you don&#8217;t control your list&#8230; I wouldn&#8217;t use the system.  </p>
<p>Peace to all!,</p>
<p>Richard<br />
<span class="cluv"> Richard Dennis&#180;s last blog ..<a href="https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/959803483" rel="nofollow">YOUnique™ Wealth  October 16 2009  3:00 PM  &#8211;  4:00 PM</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://workwithdavidwood.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: David Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again,

It&#039;s not what you&#039;re saying that makes it look spammy to people (I know we talked about this before), it&#039;s that the tone of your comment looks like the entire purpose of it is to promote Vemma, not to provide valuable insight.  Most people online would think of it the same way, regardless of how much money you make (I think you&#039;d agree that most of your money has been made offline, is that correct?) I think the point that Richard was getting across was that most people who read your comment will read it and laugh, regardless of your credentials.  It&#039;s not what you&#039;re saying, it&#039;s the delivery.  Something like this would work great at a weekly meeting or in a webinar presentation online, but the gist of the online world is that you provide insight and valuable information first, and then lead people through a process before promoting an opportunity.  And I know you make a lot of money offline in Vemma, because we had that chat, and I make a lot of money online, and they are completely different worlds for what works with the greatest effectiveness.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not what you&#8217;re saying that makes it look spammy to people (I know we talked about this before), it&#8217;s that the tone of your comment looks like the entire purpose of it is to promote Vemma, not to provide valuable insight.  Most people online would think of it the same way, regardless of how much money you make (I think you&#8217;d agree that most of your money has been made offline, is that correct?) I think the point that Richard was getting across was that most people who read your comment will read it and laugh, regardless of your credentials.  It&#8217;s not what you&#8217;re saying, it&#8217;s the delivery.  Something like this would work great at a weekly meeting or in a webinar presentation online, but the gist of the online world is that you provide insight and valuable information first, and then lead people through a process before promoting an opportunity.  And I know you make a lot of money offline in Vemma, because we had that chat, and I make a lot of money online, and they are completely different worlds for what works with the greatest effectiveness.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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